Nelson & His World

Discussion on the life and times of Admiral Lord Nelson
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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Statues
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:30 pm 
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Portmeirion is a definite qualifier. I didn't include two for Montreal as the one on the monument is a replica of the one in the museum, but why not? I'm certainly not including wax figures on my list (I've always thought the one in Westminster Abbey positively creepy). Again, Dublin was deliberately omitted as it no longer exists. The list is now 13 plus 2 replicas (Montreal has 2 and Portsmouth's replica is at the US Naval Academy, Annapolis).

My wife constantly complains that everywhere we visit appears to have a Nelson connection (just back from Barbados where we bumped into the statue in Bridgetown). After many years of her wanting to visit Portmeirion I agreed to a visit last week (I'm not kidding) and now this statue has popped up - she'll never believe I was not aware of it. I may need witnesses!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:20 pm 
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I just had a quick mooch in the loft and I found the photograph I mentioned above - which I took myself at Portmeirion. I was quite right that at that time it needed some serious TLC. From other stuff that was with the photo I think it was the summer of 1990.

Portmeirion is well worth a visit especially if you hit lucky with a warm sunny day. Inevitably it is a bit touristy but it is so unusual that that doesn't really detract from it. Good luck if you do make it!

I am still a bit intrigued as to whether the Corby and Portmeirion statues were "one offs" or "catalogue items" but unfortunately haven't got time to properly follow that up.

I've got one more item for consideration which I will try and post up in the next couple of days.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:36 pm 
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This is intriguing. Found in a newspaper from 1908.

If this statue by Thorvaldsen did exist I wonder if it has survived and where it is today.

A bit about Bertel Thorvaldsen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertel_Thorvaldsen

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:17 pm 
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As this article you've found mentions that the Thorwaldsen Museum may purchase the statue, I have just gone into the museum website and searched through their sculpture collection. There are 854 items featured including frescoes, busts, statues and miscellaneous heads etc. Unfortunately none of these appear to resemble Nelson. (That's enough culture for one day).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:43 pm 
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Phil wrote:
Mark

As this article you've found mentions that the Thorwaldsen Museum may purchase the statue, I have just gone into the museum website and searched through their sculpture collection. There are 854 items featured including frescoes, busts, statues and miscellaneous heads etc. Unfortunately none of these appear to resemble Nelson. (That's enough culture for one day).

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Thanks for that Phil. I did much the same myself.

I tried one last roll of the dice and emailed a copy of the article over to the museum. Just a short while ago received this reply.

"Thank you for your inquiry.

We do not have any knowledge of a statue representing Lord Nelson executed by Bertel Thorvaldsen. Yet, in the Danish newspaper “Fædrelandet” they mentioned a bust on 1. September 1857. The newspaper’s message is, that a bust in human size representing “Admiral Nelson” had been sold at an auction in Bergen, Norway. And one presumed that the bust was ”an original work of Thorvaldsen”.

After this date in 1857, we have never again heard about neither a bust nor a statue representing Lord Nelson. We’ve looked in the three volumes which Else Kai Sass’ wrote about Thorvaldsen’s portrait busts (Thorvaldsens Portrætbuster, 1963). But not either she has mentioned a work of Lord Nelson.

I hope this information is useful for your further investigations."


So I guess it will have to remain a mystery. Interesting though! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Statues
PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:31 pm 
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I appreciate that you don't want to include former statues but I was thinking about a thread we had on here some while back about statues of Nelson and Wellington that used to be on the beach at Southsea. They were inexplicably "lost". I tried to find the original thread but the Search tool gave me an error message so here a couple of items from other sources.

Firstly an illustration of the statues (extreme left and extreme right) when they were unveiled in 1850.

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And a 20th century newspaper article which gives brief details of the origins and loss of the statues.

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Rather a late entry I'm afraid to the statue 'register' but hopefully may still be of interest.

I have just come across a paragraph in " What's left of Nelson " a book published in 1995 by Leo Marriott (p.135). This mentions a statue that could be located in Taiwan. Apparently it was a statue originally commissioned by a Scottish businessman in 1836 (along with another of the Duke of Wellington) for his home in the Morningside district of Edinburgh. They were sold in 1909 to the owner of a house in Coldstream, where they remained until 1987 and were eventually sold at auction in 1992. The Nelson statue was sold to an unnamed gentleman from Taiwan for £15,000.

Unfortunately there is no illustration in the book of this statue or any further details of it's size or what it's made of but presumably must be quite a substantial figure given the eventual sale price.

I have searched on the internet but couldn't come up with any further information, so this remains a 'lost' statue at the moment. One for Indiana Jones perhaps.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:37 pm 
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Following my post above regarding the Nelson statue possibly located in Taiwan, on recently glancing through volume 4 of the Nelson Dispatch (part 10 April 1993 p.187), I came across an article written by 'Tertius' concerning it's history.

The Nelson Statue and it's companion the Duke of Wellington formed part of a property owned by Alexander Falconer, a Scotsman who had been a merchant with the East India company. On retirement he commissioned an architect, Thomas Hamilton to convert an existing building, Morningside Lodge into a larger home, renaming it Falcon Hall. The front of the building was designed with 12 pillars of Craigleith stone, flanked by seven feet tall statues of Nelson & Wellington in Craigleith liver rock. These were the work of the Lanark sculptor, Robert Forrest. Nelson is depicted standing in naval uniform, with his cloak draped over his shoulders, his left hand holding a telescope and resting on a ship's wheel, his left foot on a coil of rope and an anchor on the ground.

In 1909, four years before Falcon Hall was demolished, the two statues were sold to the owners of Lennel House at Coldstream where they featured in the Italian garden. In 1987, despite the local planning office trying to serve a listed building order on the owners to prevent them being removed, they were bought by Thomas Crowther & Sons of North End Road in London, dealers in Antique & Architectural furnishings.

In October 1992, the firm closed and the two statues were sold at auction by Christies. There was a bid by the National Museums of Scotland to save the statues for return to them but they were sold, the Wellington statue to an English dealer and the Nelson to a gentleman from Taiwan. The article being written in 1993 gives of course, no further indication of their current whereabouts.

Two black & white pictures of the statues accompany the article and appear to show them in either the dealers warehouse or perhaps at Christies stores. There is a picture of the frontage of Falcon Hall on wikipedia which appears to show the two statues in-situ.

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 Post subject: Re: Nelson Statues
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:36 pm 
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Exmouth sea cadets have inherited this 112 year old carving (not quite a statue?) of Nelson.

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That's interesting, I didn't know about the one in Barbados.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:24 am 
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I remembered this statue in Holmeside, Sunderland from when I was a kid but sadly Google and the Sunderland Antiquarian Society tell me it's Sir Walter Raleigh. :(
BUT - it is on the premises of Nelson and Son, Roofing Contractors, btm left quarter of the street view below - so, close but no cigar. (Though there could have been a cigar if Raleigh brought the tobacco!)
Sorry
Cheers, MTS

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