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 Post subject: Sir Thomas Staines
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:00 pm 
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I can't say that the name of Sir Thomas Staines would have meant much to me - until I found the obituary of his wife which I have attached below!

Having read the strange and eccentric clause in his will and his association with Nelson I had to delve deeper!!

From his entry in the Dictionary of National Biography (also below) it seems he was quite a close friend/favourite of Nelson.

It's no wonder we never get bored with this subject . . . . . . . . . .

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From the Dictionary of National Biography:

Staines, Sir Thomas (1776–1830),
naval officer, was born at Dent de Lion, near Margate in Kent, and entered the navy as a midshipman in December 1789 on the Solebay, serving on the West Indian station until May 1792. In December 1792 he joined the brig Speedy, commanded by Captain Charles Cunningham, with whom he went to the Mediterranean, and whom he followed to the Impérieuse and Lowestoft. When Cunningham was sent home with dispatches Staines was moved to the Victory, Lord Hood's flagship, and was present at the engagement of 13 July 1795; he continued in the Victory under the flag of Sir John Jervis in 1796. As mate of the signals he came under Jervis's eye, and on 3 July 1796 he was promoted lieutenant of the sloop Petrel.

In the Petrel Staines had exciting service. In June 1797 with twenty officers and men in two boats he boarded and captured a French privateer of two long guns and forty-five men, engaging in personal combat with the French commander, who afterwards died of his wounds. The Petrel was captured near Majorca by four Spanish frigates on 12 October 1798. Though she was recaptured the next day Staines and the other officers and men had been removed to a Spanish frigate and were taken to Cartagena. By the end of the year they were exchanged and restored to the Petrel, and Staines continued in her until his exertions to reach Sicily with warning of the arrival of the French Brest fleet brought him to the attention of Nelson, who on 17 October 1799 moved him to his flagship the Foudroyant as third lieutenant. In her he was present at the capture in the following year of the Généreux and Guillaume Tell and, under the flag of Lord Keith, in the operations off the coast of Egypt, during which he acted as the admiral's flag lieutenant. For his services in this campaign he received the Turkish order of the Crescent.

On 15 May 1802 Staines was promoted by Keith to the command of the brig Cameleon (confirmed by the Admiralty on 26 July). Stationed at Malta during the peace, on the renewal of the war in 1803 the Cameleon joined the blockading squadron off Toulon, from which she was detached for cruises along the coast against the enemy's trade. Staines had marked success and captured or destroyed many French coasting vessels and gunboats. On 28 June 1803 Nelson marked his confidence in him by sending him on a spying mission to Barcelona. In September 1804 he was sent up the Adriatic to cruise for three months at his discretion, and was afterwards employed in the protection of the Levant trade until, in September 1805, the Cameleon was sent home and paid off at Portsmouth, where he dined with Nelson on the day before his final departure.

On 22 January 1806 Staines was advanced to post rank, but not until 28 March 1807 was he appointed to the frigate Cyane, which in the following summer was attached to the fleet under Admiral James Gambier during the operations at Copenhagen. In February 1808 the Cyane was sent to the Mediterranean, where she captured several merchant ships off the east coast of Spain, and on 22 May, off Majorca, took a Spanish privateer, the last Spanish warship taken before Spain broke from the French alliance and declared in favour of Ferdinand. For the next year Staines was constantly employed on the south coast of Spain, assisting the patriots and repeatedly engaging with the enemy's batteries and in boat actions.

In May 1809 Staines was sent to the coast of Naples, where on the 17th he captured two martello towers near Cape Circello. In June the Cyane was part of the squadron under Rear-Admiral George Martin which on the 25th captured the islands of Ischia and Procida; on the 26th she was detached, with the brig Espoir and several gunboats, to intercept a large flotilla of French gunboats escorting a convoy making for the Bay of Naples. After a brisk action eighteen gunboats were taken and four destroyed. In the afternoon Staines landed and destroyed a battery of 36-pounders on Cape Miseno. The next day, 27 May, he destroyed another battery at Pozzuoli, and in the evening engaged the French frigate Cérès (42 guns), which, with a corvette and twenty gunboats in company, was endeavouring to get to Naples, while the Espoir and the Sicilian gunboats were becalmed some distance off. The Cyane was much inferior to the Cérès, but the action was continued for more than an hour until, the Cyane's ammunition being exhausted, her rigging cut to pieces, and many men killed and wounded, the Cérès succeeded in getting away with her convoy. Staines himself was severely wounded both in the side and in the left arm, which had to be amputated at the shoulder. In reporting the action of 26 May Martin highly praised Staines's ‘gallantry, judgment, and good conduct’ (Marshall, 90) and on the further report of the action of 27 May Collingwood, the commander-in-chief in the Mediterranean, wrote of Staines's gallantry in a ‘succession of battles’ (ibid., 93). The Cyane was so battered she had to go to England to be refitted.

The Cyane arrived at Portsmouth in mid-October, and on 6 December 1809 Staines was knighted, also receiving permission to wear the order of Ferdinand and Merit conferred by the king of Sicily. Appointed to the Hamadryad (42 guns), for the next two years he was employed in convoy duty to Newfoundland and to St Helena. Early in 1812 he was appointed to the frigate Briton, in which during 1812–13 he cruised, with some success, in the channel and the Bay of Biscay.

On the last day of 1813 Staines sailed with several warships and a large convoy of East Indiamen, from which he parted at Madeira, being sent on to Rio de Janeiro. There he had orders to go on to Valparaíso to join Captain James Hillyar in pursuit of the American frigate Essex; but Hillyar had already captured her, and the Briton, with the Tagus in company, went on to Callao and thence cruised among the islands, looking for an American ship rumoured to have come round Cape Horn. On 28 August 1814 Staines struck the American colours at Nuku Hiva in the Marquesas Islands, and sailing thence for Valparaíso on 17 September accidentally came on Pitcairn Island, then marked on the chart nearly 3 degrees west of its position [see Adams, John (1768?–1829)]. To his surprise he found it inhabited by English-speaking people, descendants of the Bounty mutineers. The island had been previously visited by an American merchant ship, but the news does not seem to have reached England and the first information was sent home by Staines, who rightly judged that the lapse of years and the care given to the education of the young people there might be held as condoning Adams's original offence. The Briton remained at Valparaíso and the neighbourhood until April 1815, when she returned to Rio de Janeiro and England, and Staines learned that on 2 January 1815 he had been nominated KCB. He married, in May 1819, Sarah, youngest daughter of Robert Tournay Bargrave of Eastry Court, Kent.

From 1823 to 1825 Staines commanded the Superbe in the West Indies and at Lisbon, and from 1827 to 1830 the Isis in the Mediterranean. In the Greek crisis of 1827–8 he was sent by Sir Edward Codrington to suppress the pirate stronghold of Carabusa, which he achieved in February 1828.

For the loss of his arm Staines received a pension of £300. His statement of his services, dated at Margate on 10 January 1818, is accompanied by a medical certificate that ‘he is incapable, from wounds in his arm, of writing his name’. He had been barely a fortnight back in England after his return from the Mediterranean when he died at his residence, Dent de Lion, on 13 July 1830.

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:14 pm 
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Wow, cool!

I found this image, which is apparently of a sword of his:
http://prints.rmg.co.uk/image/391956/r- ... -1776-1830

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Well spotted with that sword.

In the sixth paragraph of the DONB article it mentions that he received the Order of St Ferdinand & Merit from the King of the Two Sicilies.

That was one of the awards that Nelson received after the Battle of the Nile.

Regarding the clause in the will - I found that you can download a copy of Staines' will from the National Archive. It only costs £3.50 so I might be tempted to download it some time and see exactly how it was worded.

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Mark,
Last summer I had the pleasure of visiting St John the Baptist church, Margate. Whilst there I recorded several graves for TARS project. Principal among the graves found was that of Sir Thomas Staines, a fine memorial to him can also be found inside the Church. Thought you might like to see a few snaps, apologies for the quality of the memorial pictures. It is located in quite a tricky position.

Richard.


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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Richard

How fantastic! I had no idea about this grave and these memorials.

It's a bit quirky but somehow very poignant that Lady Staines's memorial records that she died "after a few hours illness". You can sense that it was a real shock to family and friends

And I see that Sir Thomas also had the Order of the Crescent so that is 2 awards the same as Nelson!

I haven't looked into this in depth but I believe that Pettigrew's biography of Nelson includes a couple of letters written by Sir Thomas to Nelson. I will try to look into that when time allows. Unless someone cares to beat me to it . . . . .

Now can I show my real ignorance and ask what the TARS project is. I assume you are recording nautical monuments and memorials??!! Whose project is it please?

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Sorry - I think now it is just one letter in Pettigrew. The transcript is below.

I love the way he refers to Emma as his "shipmate." :)


From Captain Staines/ Lord Nelson received the following :—

" Cameleon, Trieste, 5th Dec. 1804.

" My Lord,
" I am extremely sorry to say that my visit to the Adriatic
has not been attended with that success, which I am per-
fectly persuaded it was your Lordship's good wishes it should
be ; but, notwithstanding my failure of making captures, the
arrival of his Majesty's sloop Cameleon in these seas, in com-
bination with other circumstances, has certainly tended to rid
this coast most completely of the numerous French privateers
which have lately infested it. The Anson and Bittern having been
in the Adriatic just previous to the Cameleon's arrival, and
the liberation of the British ship taken by one of the French
privateers, with costs against the captors, are the circumstances
which I allude to, independent of the fear which they might
have entertained of our retaliating by capturing them under
the same circumstances, in defiance of neutral protection. The
effect of that combination is not only proved by my not
having seen, or even having heard, of one of those depreda-
tors since my arrival in this port, but also by the late arrival
of the Morgiana, with a convoy for Trieste ; which, although
it was separated for several days among the small islands, and
on the coast of Istria (which was most pai'ticularly the scene
of their depredations), yet they all arrived in safety at this
port without any annoyance or the least appearance of hostile
intention.

" My endeavour has been to search into all the small
islands, and in every other part wherein I thought it most
probable they might still be lurking, but all without effect.
I am perfectly well convinced, however, that your Lordship's
liberality of sentiment will not for a moment allow my failure
in this pursuit to be attributed to inertness or deficiency of
exertion on my part, and I am also well aware of the good
construction which your Lordship has ever been in the habit
of putting on circumstances, although wearing the most unfa-
vourable appearances : but I am still very anxious to have every-
thing of that nature perfectly undoubted, and much more so,
to retain your Lordship's good opinion, which constitutes the
summit of my ambition, and the most effective spur to my
endeavours.

" I am waiting here, my Lord, since the 29th of November,
from an application which the Consul has made to me to
convoy three English vessels to Venice, which will be ready
in two days, and from thence I proceed immediately to Malta,
with the liberated ship under my convoy, she being ready
laden for that destination. I am to continue in quarantine at
this place, from having had communication with the island of
Lissa, and many other parts which are not at this moment
considered in liberal pratique.

" The Mareschino which your Lordship expressed a wish
for, I have procured in four cases of two dozen bottles each,
the bottle containing about a pint and a half, which I shall
take the earliest opportunity of forwarding to England. May
I request your Lordship will do me the honour of presenting
my best respects to Lady Hamilton, which liberty I am in-
duced to take from her Ladyship having been a shipmate of
mine in the Foudroyant.

" I have the honour to be,
'' Your Lordship's
" Most obliged, most obedient, humble servant,

" T. Staines."


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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Mark,
Glad you enjoyed the pictures!
The following is taken from a thread Anna kindly composed when I first joined the forum, I hope it explains TARS and our aims:

One year ago myself and a few friends started a group we named 'TARS'. Our aim was to discover as many graves and memorials to individuals who served in the Royal Navy between the years 1793 - 1815. We then research the individuals, which in turn leads to the production of a leaflet for the respective church. Our hope is that by raising awareness of these monuments they may be protected - in much the same way as Thomas Edgars' stone at Lydd. We have limited our efforts to the county of Kent, the database we have compiled contains in excess of 200 sites. From our field trips thus far we have recorded 37 graves and 25 memorials, these have thrown up some fascinating stories. We include all sailors within our timeframe, irrespective of rank (if they served in the navy we include them!) One of our group has just moved to Monmouthshire and is keen to compile a similar database for that county. Perhaps you could mention our group on your forum, if any of your members knew of any graves or memorials that could be included on our database, for either Kent or Monmouthshire we would be very interested. 'TARS' have an E-mail address: tars1758@yahoo.co.uk , any correspondence to Richard or Susan.

We have, thus far, produced two leaflets if you or any other forum members would like a PDF copy please send us a mail to the Tars E-mail address. The first leaflet concerns, Sir R.G. Keats, memorial window, at Northfleet. The second concerns several graves and memorials to sailors located at Swanscombe.

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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I have just noticed a newspaper report surrounding a duel between Sir Thomas Staines and Major Holbrook. The incident is not mentioned in his DNB entry, but I think the date is interesting. The duel took place at Portsmouth 31 May 1817:

Early on Saturday morning, the 31st ult. a duel was fought at Portsmouth, between Sir Thomas Staines, of the Royal Navy, and Major Holbrook, and there is a great danger that the wound Sir Thomas has received will deprive him of his only arm. A lady is said to have caused the dispute between these two officers"

The next report I could find on Thomas Staines was in the 'Morning Star' dated 21 October 1818, which stated:

Sir Thomas Staines is so far recovered from the effects of his duel, in May 1817, as to be aide to hunt, during the preceding week, with the Thanet harriers.

I wonder if the lady in question was Lady Sarah Staines whom Sir Thomas Staines married in May 1819, shortly after the incident.

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Richard

You couldn't make it up could you! Imagine only having one arm and risking losing that one in a duel!!

I knew I couldn't resist looking at Sir Thomas Staines's will so I downloaded it from the NA website.

Unfortunately there is only a cryptic reference to his instructions re. the removal of his various body parts.

I have included a scan below and you will see that it reads: ". . . . my Body may be committed to the dust, with such ******** as I have described to my friend Doctor Jarvis."

Unfortunatley I can't read the word that I have asterisked. If anyone can interpret it I would be most grateful.

Thanks for reminding me of the details of the TARS project. I am sure I must have read that thread, but the details hadn't sunk in. They have now!!

Hopefully this thread will add to your information re. Sir Thomas Staines.

All the best

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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His remaining arm must have been pretty badly injured in that duel.

His entry in the Dictionary of National Biography includes: "His statement of his services, dated at Margate on 10 January 1818, is accompanied by a medical certificate that ‘he is incapable, from wounds in his arm, of writing his name’. "

That was over seven months after the duel took place.

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 Post subject: Re: Sir Thomas Staines
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Mark,
Many thanks for all the information on Staines, its all very useful!
Could the word in the will be 'exemptions'?
Its another quirk that Doctor Jarvis is mentioned, in the same Church I found a memorial to Leiutenant John Jarvis. He died in August 1789, the tablet was dedicated to his memory by his only surviving son. I can't make out the name David?? What makes this interesting for me is that Jarvis died around the same time as Staines entered the navy. Obviously Staines wouldn't have gone to sea with Jarvis, if this Jarvis were the father of Dr Jarvis he may have had a bearing on the matter?

Another thing of course would be John Jarvis (Jervis?), whom Staines prospered under quite early in his career. It wasn't unusual to find variations in spelling.

A personal point of interest also arises from this thread. I was recently contacted by a gentlemen from Nottingham. He was looking for information on leiutenant James Hall whose grave is located at his local Church. It transpires Hall was at Trafalgar on Prince , Of more interest concerning Staines, Hall was mortally wounded serving alongside Staines:

Capt. STAINES and Lieuts. James HALL and John FERRIOR were wounded in the action, the first two dangerously so, and the ship was fought in the later stages by the master, Mr Joseph MILLER. The captain lost his left arm out of the socket (for which he later received a pension of 300 per annum) and was wounded in the side, Mr HALL was wounded in the thigh and arm and, although expected to recover, he died at his home in Scarington, Notts, the following summer.

Apologies for wandering of thread a little! Just another quirk I thought worth a mention.

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Richard,

Exemptions is a strong possibility - just odd that the "t" look more like an "r" to me.

One thing I have noticed is that Lady Staines' death was barely 8 weeks after her marriage to George Gunning - so no wonder there was such shock at it's suddenness.

Meanwhile - if there weren't already enough twists and turns in this story - here is another one. The will I downloaded is barely 20 lines long and the gist of it is that he leaves 2 specific bequests of £1000 each and the remainder to his wife to enjoy in her lifetime. There follows a brief caveat " . . . . having a perfect confidence that she will act up to those views I have communicated to her in the ultimate disposal of my property after her decease."

I thought nothing of that but there is some almost unintelligible writing in the margin of the will and this morning I got out the magnifying glass to see if I could make sense of it. I could see reference to a court case and I could see the name Podmore. So I went over to Google and searched around and uncovered a whole new "can of worms".

i.e. It seems that Sir Thomas had 2 illegitimate daughters. He wanted them to have all his possessions after Lady Staines died and told her so but did not wish to name them in his will. Hence the somewhat cryptic caveat. After Sir Thomas died Lady Staines made a will to that effect but when she married George Gunning it became null and void. So in very broad terms when she then died 8 weeks later, instead of her estate going to the daughters Gunning copped the lot!

The court case was on behalf of the daughters and against George Gunning. The legal argument and judgement is quite complex but as best as I can understand it because Sir Thomas's instruction was made verbally to his wife it did not stand up and the case failed.

Anyone wishing to read the case in more detail follow this link or do your own Google search on Podmore and Gunning: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=niMy ... nes&f=true

If anybody does read it through and puts a different interpretation on it to me - please let me know.

MB

P.S. As if this story wasn't already stranger than fiction, the two daughters, Mary & Margaret, actually married 2 brothers - and therefore both had the surname Podmore.

P.P.S. Time for a lie down in a dark room methinks!!


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Mark,
Wow! This is all begining to read like the script of a soap opera.
Sir Thomas certainly seems to have been a colourful character. I'm supposed to be compiling my end of year tax returns, but curiosity surrounding the two daughters got the better of me. What I have found seems plausible, although it comes from a geneaology site so can't be taken 100%:
http://www.glendafae.com/getperson.php?personID=I493&tree=Glenda

According to the records listed, Margaret Thomasine Pemberton Staines married George Podmore at Chigwell, Essex, on 5 January1828.
She was born 1806 at Fratton Hampshire.

It would appear that Margaret and George had a several children, and following George's death Margaret, along with the children emigrated to Australia, settling in the New South Wales area.

I found a newspaper death notice that also ties in with this, taken from the 'Sydney Morning Herald' dated Sat 5 June 1880:
April 28th 1880, on board S.S. John Elder, at sea, between Adelaide and Aden on voyage to England. Margaret Thomasine Podmore, late of Pejar, Goulburn relict of the late George Podmre, Esq, of Woodford, Essex, England in her 76th year.

I now find myself wondering if the existance of the illegitimate daughters, was perhaps, the origin of the duel?

Must get back to number crunching!

Richard


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I shall add my two-pennyworth to the mystery word, this being 'excepcions'

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EMP wrote:
I shall add my two-pennyworth to the mystery word, this being 'excepcions'


Thanks Ed

I think that is now my preferred choice.

I should have thought to enlarge it on screen rather than rely on the hard copy that I had printed out.

I have attached an enlargement below. Maybe the letter after the "p" is a "t" with its top missing which would make it exceptions.

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