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 Post subject: Robert Southey
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:02 pm 
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Hello learned Forum.
Did the Lakeland poet Robert Southey claim to have 'seen' Fletcher Christian in one of his personal letters around 1803?
Are those letters available to read now?


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 Post subject: Re: Robert Southey
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:31 am 
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David

Where did you get wind of that? There is a 3 volume set of Southey's letters available on line. Vol 1 seems to cover up to 1806. I did a quick search on that vol and found various references to Christianity and possible even Christian fro Pilgrim's Progress. But no Fletcher Christian from what I could see.

You can look at it yourself here: https://archive.org/details/selectionsfromle01sout Best thing is to download it as a .pdf by clicking on the link on the left. Then you can use normal pdf search tools etc. etc.

Would still be interested to know what led you in that direction.

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 Post subject: Re: Robert Southey
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:42 am 
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Maybe this is what you are referring to David. but 1809 not 1803. Southey refers to a F.C. which it is surmised might be Fletcher Christian. I don't see how this can be as 6 years prior to the letter would be 1803 and Wikipedia says that Fletcher Christian died in 1793. Tell us any more that you know.

http://www.rc.umd.edu/editions/southey_letters/Part_Three/HTML/letterEEd.26.1705.html

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 Post subject: Re: Robert Southey
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Here is a little anecdote concerning Robert Southey that I heard the other day.

Most people will be aware of the poem "You are old Father William" from Alice in Wonderland.

But I never knew before that it is a parody of a poem written by Robert Southey.

Here are Southey's original and Lewis Carroll's parody.

The Old Man's Comforts (and how he gained them.)
by Robert Southey


You are old, Father William the young man cried,
The few locks which are left you are grey;
You are hale, Father William, a hearty old man,
Now tell me the reason, I pray.

In the days of my youth, Father William replied,
I remember’d that youth would fly fast,
And abused not my health and my vigour at first,
That I never might need them at last.

You are old, Father William, the young man cried,
And pleasures with youth pass away;
And yet you lament not the days that are gone,
Now tell me the reason, I pray.

In the days of my youth, Father William replied,
I remember’d that youth could not last;
I thought of the future, whatever I did,
That I never might grieve for the past.

You are old, Father William, the young man cried,
And life must be hastening away;
You are cheerful, and love to converse upon death,
Now tell me the reason, I pray.

I am cheerful, young man, Father William replied,
Let the cause thy attention engage;
In the days of my youth I remember’d my God!
And He hath not forgotten my age.

You Are Old Father William
by Lewis Carroll


“You are old, Father William,” the young man said,
“And your hair has become very white;
And yet you incessantly stand on your head –
Do you think, at your age, it is right?”

“In my youth,” Father William replied to his son,
“I feared it might injure the brain;
But, now that I’m perfectly sure I have none,
Why, I do it again and again.”

“You are old,” said the youth, “as I mentioned before,
And have grown most uncommonly fat;
Yet you turned a back-somersault in at the door –
Pray, what is the reason of that?”

“In my youth,” said the sage, as he shook his grey locks,
“I kept all my limbs very supple
By the use of this ointment – one shilling the box –
Allow me to sell you a couple?”

“You are old,” said the youth, “and your jaws are too weak
For anything tougher than suet;
Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak –
‑ray how did you manage to do it?”

“In my youth,” said his father, “I took to the law,
And argued each case with my wife;
And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw,
Has lasted the rest of my life.”

“You are old,” said the youth, “one would hardly suppose
That your eye was as steady as ever;
Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose –
What made you so awfully clever?”

“I have answered three questions, and that is enough,”
Said his father; “don’t give yourself airs!
Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
Be off, or I’ll kick you downstairs!”


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