Nelson & His World

Discussion on the life and times of Admiral Lord Nelson
It is currently Wed May 22, 2024 4:34 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 3 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Amanda Vickery on... Men
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:09 pm 

Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:11 pm
Posts: 1258
Location: England
Sorry this is a bit late, but tomorrow morning (Mon 27 Aug) 9am, BBC R4, Episode 4 is on 'The Sailor', heavily featuring Nelson:
Episode 4 of 6

Duration: 28 minutes

Amanda Vickery explores the history of masculinity through six different archetypes of the ideal man. This week: the Sailor.

From the defeat of the Armada to the Battle of Trafalgar, the sailor was the most virile poster boy of British manhood. Any boy worth his salt wanted to run away to sea. National wealth rested on maritime trade and it was the sailor who ensured that Britain ruled the waves. The bravest were lionised and none more so than Horatio Nelson.

Professor Vickery begins on location in Nelson's flagship HMS Victory, with Quintin Colville, curator of naval history at the National Maritime Museum. She explores how it was that Nelson became a symbol of the nation, with historian Kathleen Wilson. And there is new research from David Turner, author of a history of disability, about what happened to less famous sailors who were disabled by war. Were they still men?


There's always iPlayer to catch up on it.


 Post subject: Re: Amanda Vickery on... Men
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:45 pm 
Site Admin

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:06 am
Posts: 2830
Location: mid-Wales
The historain G M Trevelyan, a little outdated now but still of interest, not least for his elegant prose style, had this to say about the confidence of British seamen, who despite their reputation for drunkenness and on-shore indiscipline, nevertheless, performed heroically in battle:

'the men before the mast knew that, for all the ill-treatment they received, the nation regarded them as its bulwark and its glory, that at the sight of one of Nelson's men..... the landsman's eye kindled with affection and pride. The country that used them so ill looked to them confidently to protect her, and they knew it'.


 Post subject: Re: Amanda Vickery on... Men
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:46 pm 

Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:11 am
Posts: 1376
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

Thanks for the link. Having listened to it, I have to say I thought it was a bit light, but then I suppose it was largely for an uninitiated audience – and did anyone else think Ms. Vickery just a tinsy bit irritating, or was it just me?

I wasn't too sure about Kathleen Wilson either, when she was talking about you know what. There was no mention of the Article of War regarding the practice, or the thoughts it might have on morale – just that it was ok, and nobody seemed to mind!

Again, I think it was a case of twenty-first century views meeting the sensibilities of the 18th/19th centuries and not quite believing that seamen (I prefer that term to sailors) in those days lived that kind of life.

Sorry if I sound a bit negative. It would be interesting to hear other views.


Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 3 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by p h p B B © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 p h p B B Group