Nelson & His World

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I didn't realise that even limited facilities for grilling were available. Thanks for pointing that out, Brian.

There are some references to fishing nets on warships. Series ADM 106 at the National Archives has a few examples:
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ADM 106/1188/218 - Captain John Henshaw, Hunter, Hamoaze. Is stationed at the Isle of Man where few supplies can be had but fish can be caught sufficient to supply the whole crew and asks for a sein and trawl
1770 Aug 19

ADM 106/898/22 - Captain Dandridge, Wolf Sloop, Gosport. Assigned a turtle net but there being no turtles in Virginia has enclosed a request for a seine.
17 May 1738

ADM 106/941/19 - Captain Maybe, the Lenox, Portsmouth. Request for barge oars and the nets for the fishing gear which are not in store
6 Feb 1740/41

ADM 106/1124/299 - Captain Locker, Nautilus in Hamoaze. Request for twine, lead, corks and rope to make a seine and turtle nets
12 Nov 1763

ADM 106/1128/241 - Commissioner Frederick Rogers, Plymouth. Receipt of letters ... to supply the Shannon with a camp forge, Doctor Knight's Compasses and twine for a sein and turtle net
4 Oct 1763

ADM 106/1128/265 - ... to supply the Actaeon with twine for seine and Turtle Nets
11 Nov 1763

ADM 106/1165/286 - ... to supply the Favourite Sloop with sein twine for making nets
13 Oct 1768

ADM 106/1178/182 - For Commissioner Hughes, Portsmouth. Receipt of letter and warrants to supply the Dunkirk with a fishing net or sein...


Series ADM 106 also has numerous examples of requests for fishing gear or fishing tackle. For example: 'ADM 106/1083/50 - Captain John Knight, Saltash Sloop. Is now fitting for Newfoundland and has only one spare topmast. Asks for another and the usual supply of lines and hooks for fishing = 15 May 1750'

A note in the Mariner's Mirror in 1984 listed the fishing gear issued to the Charlotte yacht even earlier in 1711 (18th C spelling):
    Sain of 30 fa fitted - one
    Trawl nett fitted (all but head and beam) - one
    Peter netts of 28 fa each - two
    Oyster Drudges - two
    Mackerell lines - 12
    Mackerell hooks - 48
    Cask to put them in - 1
Fishing tackle provided for army transports (to the West Indies) in 1740 included lines, hooks and nets for turtle, dolphin, shark, albercore, bonito and mackerel, together with a number of harpoons.

Roy and Lesley also quoted Dr Trotter in 'Jack Tar':
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Sir Edward Pellew encourages his squadron off Rochefort to employ every method for catching fish, which has much retarded the appearance of scurvy in his own ship, and others. What a pity that this excellent practice is not general in the fleet, when there is nothing else for employment. Lord Duncan, in the North Sea, has always been remarkable for his indulgence in this duty.


I have no evidence of pursers buying fish.

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Another example of a fishing net being used (and a close encounter with an electric eel) is from Frederick Hoffman when midshipman in the 74-gun Hannibal around 1795 in Jamaica:
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The following day I was sent with another midshipman with two boats to haul the seine in a bay about a mile to the westward. On the first haul we caught about four bucketsful of rays, parrot-fish, snappers, groupers, red and white mullet, John-dories, some crabs and two electric eels. One of the boat’s crew hooked one of the latter by the gills with the boat-hook, when his arm was immediately paralysed, and he let it fall, calling out that someone had struck him. The man near him laid hold of the fish again as it was making for the shore, and the shock he received threw him on his knees. I ran up to him, for he appeared in great pain. However, he soon recovered, and before the ill-fated eel could reach its element, he caught up a large stone and made it dearly atone for the pain it had inflicted. We made another haul, but were not so successful, as we only caught some ray, crabs, and an alligator three feet long, which had torn the net. We stunned him by a blow with one of the boat’s stretchers, threw him into the boat, and after taking in the net, repaired to the ship.

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Excellent Tony!

One learns so much from this website.

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Jacob Nagle in his journal describes a seaman spearing a large flying fish on the passage to the Cape of Good Hope in the frigate Sirius, escorting the first Australian convict fleet: 'on the passage one of the men struck a flying fish with the granes [grains] that measured 18 inches from one tip of the wing to the other, which was the largest any man had ever seen on board the vessel'.

The grains was another name for the fish spear that Anna mentioned from William Hickey's memoirs. Basil Hall also mentions its use and gives his opinion on the merits of dolphin and bonito:
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The dolphin, the bonito, and the albacore, are sometimes caught with the grains, but generally by means of lines baited either with bits of tin, or with pieces of the flying-fish, when any are to be had. In fine weather, especially between the tropics, when the whole surface of the sea is often covered with them, a dozen lines are hung from the jib-boom end and sprit-sail yard, all so arranged, that when the ship sends forward, the hook, with its glittering bait, barely touches the water, but rises from it when the ship is raised up by the swell. The grains, spoken of above, resembles nothing so much that I know of as the trident which painters thrust into the hands of Daddy Neptune. If my nautical recollections, however, serve me correctly, this spear has five prongs, not three, and sometimes there are two sets, placed in lines at right angles to one another. The upper end of the staff being loaded with lead, it'falls down and turns over the fish, which is then drawn on board on the top of the grains, as a potato or a herring might be presented on the point of a fork.

The dolphin is eaten and generally relished by every one, though certainly a plaguy dry fish. It is often cut into slices and fried like salmon, or boiled and soused in vinegar, to be eaten cold.

The bonito is a coarser fish, and only becomes tolerable eating by the copious use of port-wine.


Apparently the best place to fish using the grains was standing on the martingale stay that runs below the bowsprit and jib boom to and from the downward-pointing spar or bumpkin sometimes known as the dolphin-striker! The mind boggles!

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Found it at last! - Nelson directing fishing with seine nets:
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Nothing particular occurred until our arrival in the Downs : the seine was frequently hauled, by Lord Nelson's directions, and the eagerness and vivacity which he showed upon the occasion, to the great delight of the seamen, early pointed out to me the natural liveliness of his character, even in trivial matters.

This is from Colonel Stewart's account of the fleet gathering before departing for Copenhagen in 1801, included in Dispatches & Letters vol 4.

This is the same account in which he described Nelson's seamanship:
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The wind, when off Dungeness, was scanty, and the Ship was to be put about ; Lord Nelson would give the orders, and caused her to miss stays. Upon this he said, rather peevishly, to the Master, or Officer of the Watch, (I forget which,) ' Well, now, see what we have done. Well, Sir, what mean you to do now ?' The Officer saying with hesitation, ' I don't exactly know, my Lord ; I fear she won't do,' Lord Nelson turned sharply towards the cabin, and replied, ' Well, I am sure if you do not know what to do with her, no more do I either.' He went in, leaving the Officer to work the Ship as he liked.


I'm starting to find seine nets popping up all over the place now! From the personal narrative of William Stanhope Lovell:
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During the time we lay at anchor here we were in the habit of sending a boat to haul the seine on the Bayonne islands, and we were generally pretty successful. Amongst other fish, we frequently caught the torpedo, which gave me a practical lesson of its electric powers.

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From the NMM website:


Sailor's diet
The sailor's diet was quite boring and not very nutritious, so sailors would catch fish and seabirds to eat as well.


Are there any records of seabirds (albatross excepted!) that sailors caught and ate? And comments on flavour or texture?

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Seamen sometimes caught seabirds with baited hooks, and the seabird most usually mentioned is indeed the albatross. Basil Hall describes catching albatross that were feeding on the flying fish at the same time as the bonito:
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A number of those huge birds, the albatrosses, were soaring over the face of the waters, and the flying-fish, when rising into the air to avoid the dolphins and bonitos, were frequently caught by these poaching birds, to the very reasonable Disappointment of the sporting fish below. These intruders proceeded not altogether with impunity, however; for we hooked several of them, who, confident in their own sagacity and strength of wing, swooped eagerly at the baited hooks towed far astern of the ship, and were thus drawn on board, screaming and flapping their wings in a very ridiculous plight.


Captain Cook's seamen caught albatross in the same way and they were apparently relished by many of the crew, even though they had fresh mutton available to them at the time.

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To extend the topic a little: I've just finished reading 'The Discovery of Tahiti', the journal kept by George Robertson, Master of HMS Dolphin, on the expedition to the island. One of the major tasks was obtaining provisions from the islanders. In addition to being offered hogs and fowl (and on one occasion, horrifically, two dogs with their legs tied together) they also received 'large bundles of plantains, bananas, bread fruit and a fine large sort of fruit which we call Apples, because they looked the likest to apples of any fruit we could think of. This perhaps is the finest fruit in the world, they are the best fruit to eat off the trees that I ever saw, and they made the most excellent pies, tarts and puddings, that was ever eat [sic], but in my opinion, they rather ought to be called peaches, not apples, because they have a large stone in each, and the make of them is more like a peach, but a great deal larger and better eating.'

An editorial note says that the fruit was the vi-apple, (spondias dulcis)

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=spondi ... 00&bih=721

Not surprisingly, the 'scorbutics' on board made a rapid recovery.

Incidentally, dog lovers (including me) will be relieved to know that the dogs were set free by the crew and 'did not look round till they had run a mile'.

I'll post a review of the book on the Book Reports thread soon.

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Captain Cook's seamen caught albatross in the same way and they were apparently relished by many of the crew, even though they had fresh mutton available to them at the time.

That would seem to put pay then to the superstition that killing an albatross brought bad luck! I believe it was thought in times past that they were the souls of dead seamen. However, perhaps the prospect of a welcome change from the monotonous diet overcame their fears.

Sadly, these days it would seem that sightings of the majestic 'wandering' albatross are becoming rare. Not so long ago I read a report that these once quite common birds are now succumbing to the dangers of increasing, and often unscrupulous, fishing activities in the Southern Ocean. The birds become caught in the long lines and nets and subsequently drown, lured of course by the fish, and perhaps are often dispatched in other not so pleasant ways by the vessel's crews. Their numbers are also being affected in other ways, such as from pollution.

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